This Is Getting Serious

All the good stuff happens late at night.

Steinbrenner's huffy ultimatum he spoke about to the media yesterday reportedly raised the hackles of the Twins' front office, prompting thoughts about filing a complaint alleging tampering and most assuredly pissing off Twins' personnel. Cashman took a much wiser route by refusing to go on record and give his thoughts. The Yankees' offer "deadline" passed at midnight, so presumably that means they are done with negotiating for Santana, right? Just like they said they wouldn't negotiate with A-Rod, or that they wouldn't give Posada more than four years, or that they wouldn't offer Phil Hughes in trade- I'm sure this "deadline" is not just ill-advised and hollow blustering. Everyone who believes Steinbrenner when he sets a "deadline" like that, raise your hands. Anyone? I suspect we'll see the Yankees back in this again.

Whether he meant it or not, it may be too late either way-- SI reported that the Twins and Yankees reached what one person called an "impasse'' shortly before midnight. As talks with the Yankees broke down, the Globe reported that talks between the Sox and the Twins intensified, going until the wee hours of the morning. Even more telling: the Sox and Twins have exchanged medical information on Jon Lester and Johan Santana... indicating that a deal may already be in place. No official announcement yet, but the reported first line package for the Twins is: Jon Lester, Coco Crisp, Justin Masterson and Jed Lowrie. If the Twins like what they see in Lester's medical records, reportedly they will take that 4-man trade. If not, or if they change their minds, Jayson Stark indicated it would turn into a 3-man trade for Jacoby Ellsbury, Masterson and Lowrie.

One source who spoke with the Red Sox delegation told ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick that the Red Sox group was just sitting around their suite Monday night, watching the Patriots-Ravens game, when Smith called and asked to see Lester's medicals.

That got those teams' wheels turning again -- and did so, coincidentally, at the same time the Yankees were almost simultaneously beginning to talk themselves out of this trade.


Per Tim Brown, "a Red Sox official said he was "cautiously optimistic" the club could complete the deal for Santana".

Other Hot Stove happenings:

Great news: after the contract offer last week, and the arbitration offer backup on Saturday, it's now being reported that Mike Timlin's one-year deal will be announced as soon as he passes his physical.

Jacoby Ellsbury has reportedly dropped his agent Joe Urbon-- and has hired mega-agent/Satan's spawn Scott Boras. Unbelievable that this guy is still getting new clients after farking up the A-Rod trade, and getting shoved out of negotiations by Kenny Rogers. Jacoby, dear, I cannot support this decision.

The Sox have received inquiries on Julian Tavarez from at least two teams- no word on who those two teams might be. Any guesses as to who could use a Freddy Krueger lookalike?

There's also interest from the Sox in Rockies relief pitcher Brian Fuentes- and Colorado would reportedly be interested in Jed Lowrie in return. Obviously that possibility cannot play out unless and until it's sorted whether Lowrie is headed to Minnesota.

Curt Schilling also weighed in on the Santana sweepstakes:

A rotation featuring Beckett, Santana as the top two is pretty much as good as it can get. The thought of pitching behind these guys has to fire ya up. That being said I look at it like this.

If we make the move we'll have done so with Theo knowing whatever he had to trade to acquire him he can restock those spots either from within, or via trade. How much is too much when you're talking about trading for the best left handed pitcher in the game? How much is too much when you consider what he and Josh could do over the next 5-6 years.

Whatever is too much I am more than confident that we won't get there. Based on the offers I know are out there I can't see anyone out bidding us talent wise. The second part of this deal is the one that really narrows this down to a few suitors at most. Whatever contract Johan negotiates God Bless Him. If you were going to set a record for a contract with a starting pitcher this guy and about 3-4 others in the game would be the best bets.

I don't see any of the other players holding this deal up from either NY or Boston. Neither team will let him slip through their hands because they want to hold onto a AA or AAA potential star. I think it's going to come down to the value Minnesota places in Philip Hughes/Melky Cabrera vs the top 2-3 players in this deal from our side.




Comments (16)

[ Suzanne ] says:
on December 4, 2007 8:55 AM

From ESPN this morning: "If the Red Sox get Santana," said an executive of one NL team that's grateful to be in the other league, "they might be the best team in the history of the frigging universe." Nice.



[ Lyndsay ] says:
on December 4, 2007 10:58 AM

NO Jacoby, back away slowly and run...while there's STILL TIME!

this is no time to be making deals with the devil, young man!



[ starr4 ] says:
on December 4, 2007 12:26 PM

Mark Sandman and Morphine said it best, "Every night about 11 o'clock, I go out" Why? Cause that's when all the good stuff just starts to get going!



[ kate ] says:
on December 4, 2007 12:48 PM

after the near heart attack of the patriots game and being in mountain time i kept waiting for updates on the football game on the boston globe and every time i went back there was more news on santana...during the game it seemed like the yankees had him. so i stopped checking..



[ Texas Gal ] says:
on December 4, 2007 1:26 PM

Latest report from the Globe isn't so rosy...

Johan Santana's agent, Peter Greenberg indicated moments ago that he has not begun contract negotiations with any team at this stage, an indication a deal between Boston and the Twins might still have a ways to go.
and
Major League sources have also indicated there have been no discussions between the Twins and Red Sox yet today, though talks are planned later in the day. The medical information the Twins sought on Jon Lester was simply "due diligence" according to one official, and that nothing was imminent with the Twins-Red Sox, though that could change rapidly after their meeting later today.



[ Janie ] says:
on December 4, 2007 2:12 PM

NOOO. I know Santana's the best pitcher in the baseball but I love Masterson and don't want him to be traded! This team needs more eye candy



[ Texas Gal ] says:
on December 4, 2007 3:07 PM

The pot just got sweeter...

According to Buster Olney, the Sox added in a FIFTH guy to the deal- Ryan Kalish.

Now I'm curious: is that 5-for-1... or could it possibly be 5-for-2?



[ Meg ] says:
on December 4, 2007 5:21 PM

SoSH is saying someone on WEEI reported Lester is now a client of Boras too...:-(



[ Texas Gal ] says:
on December 4, 2007 5:24 PM

I saw that- but it's been deleted now. I think the poster got confused about what he heard- Ellsbury is the Boras client.



[ Meg ] says:
on December 4, 2007 5:35 PM

Phew...I'm really hoping he was wrong.



[ Texas Gal ] says:
on December 4, 2007 5:47 PM

You and me both. I am seriously dismayed that Ellsbury would take on Boras- I think that is a stupid, stupid decision.



[ kate ] says:
on December 4, 2007 5:54 PM

its true ellsbury is now a boras client..in the boston globe



[ Liza ] says:
on December 4, 2007 9:45 PM

I thought Jacoby was better than that. Boras is the guy behind Gagne coming, Damon leaving, and A-Rod. That is, in itself, reason enough not to be a client of his.



[ mouse ] says:
on December 5, 2007 1:17 AM

Boras is also Jason Varitek and Daisuke Matsuzaka's agent among many, many others.

I think he's a vampire too and I groan whenever his name comes up, but if you're a player that is exactly the kind of person you want to be your agent. Even with the pervading theory that he "took a hit" with the A-Rod fiasco, A-Rod's still set to make the most money ever by a major league player. Some hit!

It's kind of annoying that Ellsbury has signed on with him, but it's not our problem--it's Theo's (or possibly Bill Smith's). And seeing as Jacoby is team controlled for the next six years, not really a big deal right now.



[ kate ] says:
on December 5, 2007 1:12 PM

i hate to say but actually its a good thing because the twins backed off a bit on jacoby because he hired boras. i don't like him either but it depends on the client as to how boras acts.thats what i have seen .. i wish boras would go torment the nba or the nfl for a while but it seems were stuck w/him.



[ Texas Gal ] says:
on December 5, 2007 1:19 PM

Oh, we'll be having to deal with Boras a lot sooner than six years, sad to say. Jacoby will be eligible for arbitration in 2.1 years- which is 2009, and just around the corner.

And the hit Boras took on A-Rod had nothing to do with money, it had to do with him getting essentially locked out of negotiations. Same with Kenny Rogers. If you're an agent, your primary function is to negotiate- and if you're actually PREVENTED from negotiating by your own client? That is bad.

The fact that the Yankees caved (as always) and paid A-Rod more money than God (although WAY less than Boras shopped him for) to me is more indicative of the Yanks' uncanny ability to pony up money-- and not of Boras's skills.

I will give Boras this: outside of him shitting the bed recently in the perception stakes, he and his firm provide superior client-handling. They take care of their own from the ground up: training, exercise, nutrition, lifestyle, everything.

He's still a fucktard, though.




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