Gameday Open Thread: Blue Jays 8/22

vs. Toronto Blue Jays
7:07 pm
Rogers Centre - Toronto, ON Canada
SP: Paul Byrd vs. Shaun Marcum
tv/radio: NESN - MLB.TV - WRKO




Comments (203)

[ Erin ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:00 PM

Hey all! I was up in New Hampshire last week camping and didn't get a chance to watch much baseball at all. I did see part of Clay's game in Baltimore but only the first 2 innings.

Did I miss any big news while I was gone?



[ Cathy ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:06 PM

Hey all!

I am so ready to watch a classless win!



[ Meghan ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:09 PM

Gotta love the baby blue unis.



[ ecl1958 ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:10 PM

Hey, just checking in. Am still at work -- should be home in about 45 minutes. Go Sox!!!



[ Cathy ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:13 PM

PEDIE!!!!!!!!



[ Erin ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:13 PM

Dusty!



[ jules ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:13 PM

TGIF!!!!!

PLEATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's a great way to start the game!

Bad news about JD. I hope he gets better soon.



[ Mac ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:13 PM

PEDIE!!!



[ fc ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:15 PM

I fear my sweet Georgia peach is done for the season. And I am...not happy. Not happy at all.



[ jules ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:16 PM

DO: "Sox are 2-13 on artificial turf."

Me: we can put a man on the moon, but artificial turf is the best we can do?



[ jules ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:17 PM

fc, I fear you are right. I feel for him, he was having such a great year.

Unrelated question, from what era are these blue unis? I'm thinking 80s.



[ Cathy ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:18 PM

The 80's are right. They wore them when they broke into the league in 1980.



[ Ellen ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:18 PM

How long does it take to recover from a herniated disc and does it need surgery? I'm really sad that it happened to him.



[ Ellen ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:19 PM

I should say - does anyone know?



[ jules ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:20 PM

I remember the SD Padres unis in the 70s (maybe 80s) with the orange and yellow. Scary stuff, indeed.



[ Erin ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:22 PM

Orange and yellow unis? Thats kinda gross.



[ jules ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:22 PM

Ellen, I don't know, but i imagine it'll be a while.

Byrd...strikes!



[ Cathy ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:24 PM

Herniated discs rarely need surgery, and it's different for everybody, but most people will be fully recovered within a month. I would think that JD will be out for a little less than 2 weeks, but you never know.



[ jules ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:24 PM

Erin, my bad, they were yellow and brown.



[ Erin ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:26 PM

They're worse than I thought.



[ Ellen ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:26 PM

Thanks for the info, Cathy & Jules. I was hoping it was a shorter than longer kind of thing.



[ fc ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:26 PM

Here's a bit of info.



[ Mac ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:27 PM

jules - wow. I think those may be the worst unis I've ever seen.



[ jules ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:27 PM

I would think that pitching to the same team three times *in a row* has to be challenging for a pitcher because they've seen so much of his pitches.

Byrd-K!



[ Mac ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:28 PM

Dammit.



[ jules ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:28 PM

dammit. dammit.



[ Erin ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:28 PM

Fuck.



[ Cathy ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:28 PM

Dammit. Dammit. Dammit



[ Cathy ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:30 PM

You can stop comparing Lind to McGwire any time now.



[ ecl1958 ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:32 PM

Just checking in to say dammit and oh shit. And I hate to hear that JD has a herniated disc. Lots of catching up to do when I get home. See y'all shortly. Bring the bats next inning, guys...



[ Kim ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:36 PM

Tek is still hitting well!



[ Cathy ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:37 PM

Tek! it's good to see him breaking out of his death slump.



[ jules ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:37 PM

Captain!

I'm glad he found his bat.



[ Kim ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:38 PM

Those throwback unis are hideious.



[ jenny again ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:39 PM

Thank you for greeting me so spectacularly on my tv, Pedey.

Had a great time in Baltimore - even on Wednesday - but it's nice to be home again.



[ jules ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:40 PM

Kim, the 80s were so fashionable!

:: hides all high school photos ::

Cora!

Lets get runs, guys!



[ jenny again ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:40 PM

I'm sure this is an unpopular opinion, but I kind of like Toronto's powder blue pajamas. ;D



[ Cathy ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:40 PM

That's awesome that you had a great time, Jenny!



[ fc ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:43 PM

Weren't they wearing those pretty blue unis for the opening series there?



[ kim ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:43 PM

jules... i'm hiding all my 80's high school photos too. the big hair was the worst.



[ kim ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:43 PM

every friday home game apparently



[ fc ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:43 PM

Oh. Remy just explained - they wear throwback unis every Friday they're at home.



[ Mac ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:46 PM

fc - I believe they were wearing those unis for the opening series there.



[ jenny again ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:48 PM

Welcome to the magic of Blue Jays' "Flashback Fridays."



[ jenny again ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:49 PM

Cathy - Thanks! I love catching the Sox at Camden Yards. (I'm psyched my mom moved to Baltimore.)



[ jenny again ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:50 PM

Whoa, Cora was almost a serious victim of Turf Danger there. o.0



[ jenny again ] says:
on August 22, 2008 7:58 PM

I liked the first inning better where we made Marcum throw more than four pitches. Hrumph.



[ Mac ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:03 PM

jenny - you're not the only one who liked the first inning better.

Nice pickoff!



[ ecl1958 ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:03 PM

Back again -- wow, they really do look like powder blue pajamas!



[ jenny again ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:04 PM

My mom hates it when pick-off plays are successful because she thinks it encourages guys to throw over there even more, slowing down the game and lessening her pleasure. (Mom doesn't think much of baseball in general, can you tell? Hee.)



[ Bethie ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:05 PM

Classic slap in the head with the glove Youk!

Awesome!



[ jenny again ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:05 PM

NEW GUY!



[ Mac ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:05 PM

Bay!



[ Lyndsay ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:09 PM

evening all

the toronto unis have to compete with the Padres' new unis for ugliest this season. they look like pajamas!

for anyone older than 25 - they are the exact same unis that Mitch Kramer's b-ball team had in "Dazed and Confused".



[ Lyndsay ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:11 PM

jenny again - my mom still thinks Nomar plays for the sox. so your mom is worlds more sophisticated in baseball knowledge than mine!



[ Lyndsay ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:12 PM

wait - WHAT happened to JD Drew?? did someone say herniated disc? NOOO!!!!



[ ecl1958 ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:15 PM

Load 'em up and turn on The A.C., yeah!!!



[ Cathy ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:16 PM

Woot!



[ jenny again ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:16 PM

Now THAT is taking one for the team. In the rump. Owie. Thanks, AC.



[ ecl1958 ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:17 PM

Thank you for taking one for the team, Alex.

Yeah Coco!!!



[ Mac ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:17 PM

COCO!!



[ Cathy ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:17 PM

That'll work, Jacoby.

Come on, Pedie!



[ Mac ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:19 PM

Pedie!



[ jenny again ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:20 PM

Weird pile of RBIs, but they'll do! Nice work AC, Coco, Ells, and Pedey. ;D



[ fc ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:20 PM

This inning got interesting fast.



[ jenny again ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:24 PM

That was definitely a "take what they give you" inning. Those are so key to stringing together wins. I like this.



[ Cathy ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:30 PM

Shit.



[ ecl1958 ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:31 PM

You took the words right out of my mouth, Cathy.



[ jenny again ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:32 PM

Did I hear correctly that Byrd has given up more HR than any other pitcher in the AL? Is he afraid of losing that title?



[ Cathy ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:33 PM

Byrd loves the long ball.



[ Jennie ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:35 PM

Yeah, I'm not loving Byrd so much right now.



[ Lyndsay ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:36 PM

guess the PEDs aint workin so well for him now...damn you George Mitchell!



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:48 PM

HEY HEY HEY WHAT UP MY PARTY PEOPLE



[ Cathy ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:49 PM

Time to score more runs.



[ jenny again ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:51 PM

I, too, am ready for more runs. Please.



[ Mac ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:52 PM

TEK!!!



[ fc ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:52 PM

HOLY CRAP, Tek.



[ ecl1958 ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:52 PM

Oh no he didn't -- oh yes he DID!!!



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:52 PM

Tek is one of my party people too.



[ Avery ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:52 PM

just got back from russia- but gameday won't work. its just a white page, with the normal banners. anyone else having the same issue or know how to fix it?



[ jenny again ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:53 PM

Atta boy, 'Tek. You're lookin' much more like your old self here.



[ Cathy ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:53 PM

TEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



[ Mac ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:54 PM

Avery, I've had that problem before. Normally, I just refresh the page. If that doesn't work, restart the browser.



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:54 PM

Avery--

I have the same problem too sometimes-- either quit and restart the browser or use a different browser.

Did you really just get back from Russia? Was just there in June.



[ Katherine ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:55 PM

I've been waiting to say something for fear of jinxing him, but I think Tek is back.



[ Avery ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:55 PM

Yeah, i was on a program there living with a host family in Vladimir- part of the Golden Ring. One long month. Thanks for the help- I'll try Firefox.



[ fc ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:56 PM

Coco came to party too. He is always happy to see mhc.



[ Cathy ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:57 PM

Cococococococo!



[ Avery ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:57 PM

Yay, it works on Firefox, so I'm here to stay :) Thanks again.



[ Mac ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:57 PM

Coco!



[ Lyndsay ] says:
on August 22, 2008 8:59 PM

wow...i thought toronto's pitcher was gonna cry.



[ Lyndsay ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:01 PM

now that he's free of the wife, be prepared to seee Tek come alive!



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:02 PM

Wow, Lyndsay...



[ Avery ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:03 PM

So in Russia I got my sister a Red Sox stacking doll- Youkillis was the big one, then Mike Lowell, then Manny (I guess they never heard about him), then Ortiz (he's really little) and then the baby tiny tiny one is Pedroia. Its so cute.



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:04 PM

AVERY--- OH MY GOD. I got the EXACT same one. I LOVE IT.



[ fc ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:04 PM

AAHHH! Russian Sox Nesting Dolls!
My favorite!



[ Mac ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:05 PM

Avery - Now I want one!



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:06 PM

To clarify, fc demanded a showing of the nesting dolls ASAP upon my return. She agrees on their awesomeness.

On the other hand, as you may have noticed, the "artist" knows nothing about these players or what they look like.

I was delighted to realize how very nesting-doll-shaped Youk actually is.



[ Avery ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:08 PM

I know, its really cute. That's really funny mhcranberry- where were you in Russia?



[ Lyndsay ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:09 PM

can you post those russian doll pics pleeeeease???

I want Russian Nesting Jacoby dolls.



[ Avery ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:09 PM

At least they knew how little Pedroia is. That was the one that made me the happiest :)



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:10 PM

I spent a few days in Moscow, then took the train to St. Petersburg. Not Russia anymore, but then went to Estonia, Latvia, Poland. Finished the trip in Denmark.

It was AMAZING. I've never been anywhere like that before and I desperately want to go back... brutal, brutal place, especially Moscow, but it is SO interesting... I spent a lot of time just kinda standing there having moments like, "Oh my god, I'm inside the Kremlin."



[ Mac ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:10 PM

Avery, the fact that the smallest doll is Pedroia is just awesome.



[ fc ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:11 PM

Well, we'll know if they're the same ones if Mikey and Manny look vaguely Asian. The nearest I can figure is that the only hispanics the Russians are familiar with are Filipino.



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:11 PM

I'm away for the weekend but will gladly post pictures on Monday.



[ Anonymous ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:12 PM

I've always wanted to go to Moscow. It's definitely on my bucket list.

of course, Pedroia as the baby russian doll is a given. what I would like to see is the Bartolo Colon nesting doll. I am guessing it is very life-like.



[ ecl1958 ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:12 PM

I'd love to see a picture of the Russian nesting Sox dolls -- they sound so cute!



[ Lyndsay ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:13 PM

anonymous quote above was me...oops



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:14 PM

Well, what is great is that he's REALLY little. Like peanut-sized.

Story of getting the dolls:

Got the first one (AND a Patriots nesting doll) at one of those souvenir stands on Sparrow Hills in Moscow, but knew we had to get a second one for my little sister.

For the rest of the time in Russia I was dashing into these crappy, sketchy places looking for them-- you had to go to the tackiest places.

The greatest moment was trying to explain my vehement reaction when the Russian guy offered me a Yankees nesting doll when he didn't have a Sox one. Not knowing Russian... I think he thought I was batshit.



[ Cathy ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:16 PM

Sox AND Pats nesting dolls? I am so jealous!



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:18 PM

Yes... but no Celtics! They had Lakers, Bulls, but no Celtics. Of course the Celts hadn't won in 22 years when I was there, but still. I'll bet they have them now, and you bet your ass I'd buy them.



[ ecl1958 ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:18 PM

Dying laughing at your "vehement reaction" to the Yankees nesting dolls, mhc!



[ Cathy ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:19 PM

I think I would buy all of them. Just because.



[ fc ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:22 PM

But, see, to the Russian guy we're Yankees, so...



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:22 PM

Oh, yeah, it was a portly little Jeter, and he offered it to me, and I was like, "NYET! NYET! No, no. NO."

He looked at me weird and I was like, "To people like me, the Yankees are very very bad, very bad, we don't like them."

Once it came out of my mouth I realized how stupid I sounded.

Not as stupid as when I tried to explain "the curse of the Bambino" theory (with the caveat it wasn't universally held) to a bunch of British people in 2003. THAT was embarrassing.



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:23 PM

fc found a picture!

http://www.chron.com/photos/2008/07/23/12155878/226xRefer.jpg

those are the ones I have...



[ Mac ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:24 PM

mhc - Those. Are. AWESOME.

But the first two look like they're carrying samurai swords.



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:25 PM

Actually that's a really good account of the kind of places I had to go to to find these things....

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/features/5903995.html

Insanity. Russia is insane.



[ Cathy ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:28 PM

I am cracking up looking at the Manny one.



[ Avery ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:30 PM

I was in Vladimir for 3 and a half weeks, 3 days in Moscow, took the night train, and then spent 4 days in St Petersburg- gorgeous place, but really intense. I got a patriots stacking doll too, for my dad!



[ Lyndsay ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:31 PM

wait, I can't tell who that is in front! they all look like mean Russian soldiers.



[ Lyndsay ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:32 PM

ha, mhcranberry, the russian guy was probably like "why you hate yankee? did yankees kill babies and steal land?" and you're like "no...they just always steal the damn division!"



[ Cathy ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:33 PM

Was Burnett just trying to kiss Wells?



[ Lyndsay ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:34 PM

little pedroia, begets littler pedroia, begets littler pedroia, begets littlest pedroia....what is otherwise known as kelli pedroia's worst nightmare.



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:34 PM

Intense is exactly the word I'd use. It was exhausting...

But I desperately want to go back. I was utterly entranced by the countries I went to. I've always been interested in the history/culture of the region, but now I'm totally hooked.

I was there during White Nights too... so it was daylight from 2:30 am until 11 pm.



[ Lyndsay ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:35 PM

yeahhhh the Master is in! I LOVE the Master.



[ ecl1958 ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:35 PM

Looking at the picture of the dolls, I'm not sure I *can* tell any of them from mean Russian soldiers. Maybe if they were right in front of me on a table I could...



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:35 PM

Lyndsay-- first one is Lowell.



[ Avery ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:36 PM

So jealous- I got tehre July 21st, so too late. Mcdonalds there is hilarious- chicken nuggets are cheken macnaggats. And how gorgeous is Saint Basils? By the way, I'll take some pictures close up of the Red Sox ones later and post them here for you all to see- but the camera is currently charging :(



[ ecl1958 ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:36 PM

VERY nice work, guys!



[ Lyndsay ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:37 PM

wow. Russian Lowell is terrifying.



[ Lyndsay ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:39 PM

on second thought, Youkilis would probably fit right in on a Russian baseball team.



[ fc ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:39 PM

We need to send Masterson's wife to Russia and have her blog about it.



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:39 PM

We didn't go to McDonalds. And St. Basil's is amazing. Did you go to the Cathedral of the Savior on the Spilled Blood? That was the MOST beautiful place I've ever seen.

Pictures from the whole trip-- started in Russia, so those pics are down at the bottom. If you're a creepy internet pervert, please don't look at my photos...

http://picasaweb.google.com/mhcoit



[ ecl1958 ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:40 PM

The White Nights season must be so...strange. My mom was fairly far north in Canada during midsummer a few years ago and said it was very disorienting to have only a few hours of actual darkness. I can't imagine there being none at all.



[ Lyndsay ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:40 PM

and they probably think Pedroia is somehow related to Rasputin.



[ Avery ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:41 PM

I did go to the Spilled Blood one- also gorgeous. Although the St Petersburg metro is scary.



[ Lyndsay ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:42 PM

great pics, mh. that spilled blood church is pretty insane...beautiful, but insane...



[ Avery ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:42 PM

And I don't mean to be a huge creep, but what hotel did you stay in in Moscow? because your view looks similar to the one I had. It was like Vega or something?



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:44 PM

Oh yeah. White Nights + Jet Lag... my circadian rhythm was like, FUCK THIS, I AM OUTTA HERE.

I just slept when I went to bed, woke up when the alarm went off.

And they don't think anyone is related to Rasputin. They don't want to talk about the past century, for the most part.

I have to say-- through my whole trip, fc was sending me marvelous summaries of the Sox (and the Celtics when it mattered). What a great lady.



[ Cathy ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:44 PM

TEK!!!



[ Mac ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:44 PM

mhc, those are nice pictures. Russia looks really beautiful!



[ fc ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:45 PM

That's very sweet, but please don't ruin my reputation as a smartass. Or a creepy internet pervert.



[ Jennie ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:45 PM

I'm a creepy internet person but I looked at your pictures anyway. :)



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:45 PM

We stayed at the Hotel Kempinski Baltschug, right across the river from the Kremlin (duh). My mummy is friends with the wife of the manager, so we got a reduced rate.

Which is good, because JESUS was that country expensive. I am now BROKE.



[ Avery ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:45 PM

Yeah Tek! Never fly United from Russia- they are idiots.



[ fc ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:47 PM

I hope Tek's pal Cashie was taking notes during that last play.



[ Lyndsay ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:47 PM

(only mentioned the Pedroia/Rasputin thing because I read somewhere that he was very short....he he...)



[ Avery ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:47 PM

Don't hit tek with pitch. Bad!

Umm, so our handbook was like, "if you see someone in Russia coming towards you with a needle, run or hit them with an umbrella. Gypsies are bad."



[ ecl1958 ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:48 PM

I guess folks just wear shades to bed or something in the summer there.

That church looks amazing -- wonderful photo gallery you've got there.



[ jenny again ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:48 PM

Shawn Camp: mouth breather.



[ Lyndsay ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:49 PM

really? what's the exchange rate there now? even though the dollar is weak now, I thought the ruble was always much weaker?



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:49 PM

Yeah, we went with Lufthansa via Frankfurt. They were great.

And yes, it is beautiful. It is unlike anything you have ever seen and will see again.

I thought I knew what to expect, but I was totally wrong.

By the way Avery, I don't know if you got exposed to the charm of Russian gender relations-- regardless this is a pretty good representation, I'd say:

http://tinyurl.com/5jqrwd



[ Cathy ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:50 PM

DO NOT HIT COCO!



[ Avery ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:50 PM

Its 24 rubles to a dollar- it went up a little in the middle of my trip.
My host mom said that Russia men only want sex. Which sounds so much more amusing in rusisan.



[ Lyndsay ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:51 PM

yeah not until Borat did I realize that "gypsies" are actually considered real threats in some parts of the world. weird. maybe mhc you could have explained to the russians that the Yankees are to us what the gypsies are to them, and it would have translated better.



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:52 PM

500 rubles is about 20 bucks.

But they have NO agriculture. So food is ridiculously expensive.

Example: dessert of strawberries with whipped cream.

1000 rubles. 40 bucks.

Absurd.

And thanks for the kudos on my pics. I had a new camera and was loving it... took 4GB of photos on the trip.



[ Avery ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:53 PM

Injury Delay? Detilas please?
Yeah, the big ciites are really expensive, but Kinder Chocolate (my favorite0 is like a dollar for eight bars. not too bad :)



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:53 PM

Well, not just sex... I mean, just consider: domestic violence? Not illegal in Russia.

(side note: one reason Russia wants Georgia so badly-- LOTS of nice agriculture.)



[ Cathy ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:54 PM

Jacoby!!!!

Awesome pictures, mhc!



[ Avery ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:54 PM

Our entire group was terrified we would get deported for bieng Americans if the Georgia thing escalated. I was fine though- everyone thought I was Italain, and apparently they love italians?



[ Lyndsay ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:54 PM

off-topic: since the Ells is at the plate now...I am reading a book about Navajo history now. and the answer to your question is, yes i AM scaring myself a little.

YAY bottom of the order contributing tonight! woohoo!



[ Mac ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:54 PM

JACOBY!!!



[ Avery ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:55 PM

Yay Ellsbury! Lets go Little Bottom of the STacking Doll Pedroia!



[ ecl1958 ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:56 PM

Lyndsay, there are American "gypsies" too, also known as "travelers." Among other places, there's a town in SC that is home to a thriving group of them. They're known for being very clannish and being expert scam artists.



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:57 PM

Sorry to be all about Russia tonight, but I get really excited when I find someone who knows what I'm talking about.



[ Cathy ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:57 PM

PEdie!!!!



[ Lyndsay ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:57 PM

come on, lil slugger!



[ Mac ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:57 PM

PEDIE!!



[ Avery ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:57 PM

Yay Small Doll Pedroia "IN play runs" Gypsies are scary.



[ Jennie ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:59 PM

Yeah little bubushka (I know I'm saying that wrong, just trying to follow along the Russian theme.)



[ Lyndsay ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:59 PM

ecl - yeah I think I've heard/read about that before. but I mean we don't think of bands of scam artist travelers as being threatening the way they do over there.



[ Avery ] says:
on August 22, 2008 9:59 PM

Where did you learn Russian (or do you speak it)?
Bargaining in russian is so much fun when you pretend you don't know Russian or English. They just basically give you the price you want.



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 10:00 PM

Don't mean to beat you over the head with PC crap, but just be aware that should you actually encounter them, they are actually called Roma. They're a tribe.



[ fc ] says:
on August 22, 2008 10:00 PM

Avery, I think there may be a haiku lurking in there.



[ Lyndsay ] says:
on August 22, 2008 10:01 PM

they would probably think Jacoby Ellsbury is "gypsy'.



[ Avery ] says:
on August 22, 2008 10:01 PM

haha fc, i may have to write haikus now.

Small Doll Pedroia
You the the ball very well
Although you are small.



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 10:01 PM

I knew the Cyrillic alphabet and then I learned some basics before I went. I tend to be a good parrot so I pretty much was able to get by after the first day.



[ Avery ] says:
on August 22, 2008 10:03 PM

That's awesome, I'm about to start my third year of Russian in high school, but I'm much more fluent now. Once you get the basics of reading it gets much easier. Lets go, my little Russian Soldier Youk!



[ ecl1958 ] says:
on August 22, 2008 10:04 PM

So it sounds like the Roma are fierce bad scary folks, not to be messed with?



[ Avery ] says:
on August 22, 2008 10:06 PM

I'm still a little jet lagged, so I'm going to go to bed. Good night everyone, I'm glad I found someone to obsess about Russia with!



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 10:06 PM

Lyndsay, FYI, I'd steer clear of talk of the Roma. Very serious social conflict over that group in every European country I've been to, and you just never know if it's a sensitive issue with someone listening-- and even in the US, discussion of racial issues can be a dodgy subject...?

And on top of that, Ells would fit in really well in Russia. They share a border with China, Mongolia... so there are many Asiatic-looking people there. Just as in the US, you just don't know where someone is from.



[ Lyndsay ] says:
on August 22, 2008 10:07 PM

I would love to learn Russian. I am intimated by learning a different alphabet though.



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 10:07 PM

Avery-- if you wanna get my email address from TG, go ahead, we can talk more... I'd love to learn more Russian.



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 10:10 PM

Actually the Roma are fine. Historically they have been nomadic peoples in areas with sedentary towns and villages, so they got scapegoated a lot.

Do they pickpocket and all that? Yes. But I saw plenty of worse stuff by native Russians, trust me.

The Roma have gotten shit on for a lot of history and the stigma still rages. They aren't, like, predatory... but people don't like them because they do come and go and tend not to assimilate to the culture in which they settle.



[ Lyndsay ] says:
on August 22, 2008 10:12 PM

ok, I'll steer clear of offending Red Sox nation's displaced gypsy diaspora. relax already, and don't take everything I say so literally - as Russian Lowell might say, "is joke!"



[ ecl1958 ] says:
on August 22, 2008 10:14 PM

Mmph, yeah, scapegoating and stigma and racial issues. The things you're saying make me want to stay put right here and never travel abroad -- it's hard enough for me to tolerate that stuff when it happens here. And knowing what a hothead I am (I work hard at reining it in here), I'd get in a lot of trouble if I ever traveled overseas because I'd shoot my mouth off to the wrong person.



[ fc ] says:
on August 22, 2008 10:18 PM

Well, all of that sure cleared the room.



[ ecl1958 ] says:
on August 22, 2008 10:19 PM

Margaret, I'm loving the pictures of the colorful painted buildings on your trip. And the cathedrals. Amazing stuff!



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 10:19 PM

Oh yeah, I definitely bit my tongue sometimes, especially with the way they treat women.

Lyndsay-- let me be more blunt. Literal or not, your comments were making me pretty uncomfortable. We don't know whether someone on this board or any board identifies as such. I know you didn't mean it maliciously and I know you aren't racist, but I just wanted to give you a heads up that there was a line. I didn't mean to whip out the bitch stick for this--- and we've all seen what I do when those beatings commence. It's ugly.

Sorry to call you out, L-- I'm wicked awkward to begin with, so, yeah...



[ Cathy ] says:
on August 22, 2008 10:20 PM

"Little Papi"? I don't think so.



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 10:21 PM

Paps... glad to see the migraine has passed. Poor guy. Bad stuff.



[ ecl1958 ] says:
on August 22, 2008 10:22 PM

I hope that I didn't step on any toes with any of my replies to any of this stuff. I try to be as PC as possible, but I do have my clueless moments too.



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 10:24 PM

No, no toes from anyone. Just queasiness on my part, mostly from remembering times when I myself have been a total ass.

I only say things now because it was really important for me to hear when people had that response... otherwise I had no idea. Not trying to be disruptive. (yeah, too late. now I feel bad)



[ ecl1958 ] says:
on August 22, 2008 10:28 PM

Uhhh, I didn't mean to clear the room???

And I'm glad we won.



[ Cathy ] says:
on August 22, 2008 10:29 PM

Nice win!



[ fc ] says:
on August 22, 2008 10:29 PM

C'mon, that had to make us ALL feel better.



[ ecl1958 ] says:
on August 22, 2008 10:30 PM

Oh, I have often OWNED cluelessness, believe me! And I feel bad for saying anything that may have egged anyone on. It's all good though -- the pictures are awesome and we got the W.



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 10:32 PM

BASEBALL MAKES EVERYTHING BETTER.

it was nice to see everyone put forth that kind of effort tonight... Byrd seems to be exactly what they predicted... just... solid.



[ ecl1958 ] says:
on August 22, 2008 10:33 PM

Yes, I feel much better than I did when I walked in the door shaking from the stress after two consecutive 9-hour days at work. Now all I have to do is decide whether I want some ice cream or a late evening beer.



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 10:35 PM

Why choose between the two?



[ fc ] says:
on August 22, 2008 10:35 PM

Beer, then ice cream.



[ mhcranberry ] says:
on August 22, 2008 10:36 PM

We have GOT to stop doing that...




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